The Francis Effect podcast: $83M judgment against Trump; papal audience with Vatican journalists; Ansel Augustine

Former U.S. President and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump leaves the courtroom after attending the Trump Organization civil fraud trial, in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan Nov. 6.

Former U.S. President Donald Trump leaves the courtroom after attending the Trump Organization civil fraud trial, in New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan Nov. 6. In a different case, a jury found Jan. 26 that Trump must pay $83 million for defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll. (OSV News/Reuters/Shannon Stapleton) 

NCR senior correspondent Heidi Schlumpf joins "The Francis Effect" podcast co-hosts Franciscan Fr. Daniel Horan (columnist for NCR) and David Dault, executive producer and host of "Things Not Seen: Conversations About Culture and Faith." A jury has ruled that Donald Trump must pay $83 million for defaming E. Jean Carroll. Father Daniel, Heidi and David discuss that case, as well as the role of journalism in 21st-century Catholic life. Plus, Heidi interviews Ansel Augustine about the synod and experiences of Black Catholics. 

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